Headline making, hard rock singer Dee Snider joined Ugly Phil on Triple M this week while touring the country.
The Twisted Sister singer, who's been making headlines across the world following his very public feud with Australian politician Clive Palmer (read more here) told Phil it's worrying now he's recognised more for his reality TV involvement than his music.
Listen to the interview:
You can see Dee Snider LIVE in Australia, starting Sydney 31st January.
For tour info visit: www.facebook.com/facedeesnider
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